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Shiva

topic posted Sat, March 3, 2007 - 7:10 AM by  Erika
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So, how did everyone 'find' Shiva? Or did he find you? hehe :P
what experiences have you had along your spiritual journeys? Just curious to see what all people will share with each other here.

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Erika
Pittsburgh
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  • Re: Shiva

    Sat, March 3, 2007 - 8:17 AM
    He has always been there. His presence and force I have felt from a very young age. I knew it was something special but only when I grew older I was able to understand it. It was he who would tuck me into bed at night and cradle me when I needed comforting and assurrance. It is he who holds my hand to and from work every day. It is he who continously guides me - the mentor ever! He is my mother and father too (Twmeva mata cha pita twmeva). Now we hold regular conversations and have a joke around too - he is my best friend too. I can talk to him about anything, I can tell him my problems and he just seems to sort them out! - I leave it all to him.

    Shiva is right here, right now - whether you believe it or not - that dont matter. He is.

    Big Hugs xxxxx to my Lord. I love you always................and see you soon
    • Re: Shiva

      Sat, March 3, 2007 - 10:12 AM
      interesting question, because I don't remember the first time we met. he's so auspicious
      • Re: Shiva

        Sat, March 3, 2007 - 12:19 PM
        I cannot remember back far enough to where my conciousness dawned. there was Shiva.

        in the sense of identifying Shiva as a divinity, I came to realize the importance of Shiva in the Shiva/Shakti equation when I started studying and then practicing Tantra, even though I tend to focus on Ma.
        • Re: Shiva

          Sat, March 3, 2007 - 7:56 PM
          Back in the 70s I was introduced to the works of two very great men who became my heros: Joseph Campbell and Carl Sagan. You've heard of them,surely. They each had a book out about the same time and, coincidentally, inside the front cover of each was a depiction of Shiva Nataraj. This of course prompted my researching of Shiva and when I found out that folks smoked pot to worship Him, and that he was male/female Shakti/Shiva, I figured He was Something Special. I had Him tattooed on my back. Later when I became a witch I found that Shiva and Cernunnos where the same being, and learned of the ancient connection between Ireland and India. Later I met Hanuman and fell in Love and learned that He is considered an incarnation of Shiva. So they all tie together, the threads of Shiva through my life. . .
          • Re: Shiva

            Wed, April 4, 2007 - 7:35 AM
            Shiva definitely snuck up on me. I was attracted to Buddhism, especially Zen, because of the emphasis on meditation. In Buddhism I was exposed to Kuan Yin - and She led me to Kali. Then there was this guy that Kali was dancing on - some guy named Shiva. Turns out he is "the God of meditation".

            Also I have a strong Pagan streak and Shiva is very approachable from a Pagan (in the modern western sense) perspective. Especially since there's the whole Cernnunos connection, too - like Cynthia pointed out. On my altar at home I have a statue of Kuan Yin and on either side of Her I have Shiva and Cernnunos. Then on the wall behind Them I've got a copper Shiva Yantra and two pictures of Kali.
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              Re: Shiva

              Wed, April 4, 2007 - 7:42 AM
              I was also a Buddhist first. Then Ganesh came to me one morning. lol
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              Wed, April 4, 2007 - 7:54 AM
              I think there IS a linkage there and I will go so far to say that "The Horned God" of the neo pagan pursuasion is actually probably just Shiva.Not only is the iconography very similiar as well as his involvement with "the Goddess" similiar to the involvement with Devi (not to mention the Neo Pagan Goddess reminds me of Shakta philosophy and especially the triple goddess Tripurasundari).
              Gerald Gardner spent a lot of time in South Asia studying these cultures. I want to say one of his contacts, Dorothy Clutterbuck, was from Bengal, but I probably need to re-read that to make sure.
              All of the references to being "skyclad" ( digambara) reincarnation, sexual rituals etc. makes this association seem even more blatant...
              • Re: Shiva

                Wed, April 4, 2007 - 7:56 AM
                Oh yeah, sorry about the double post, but I just remembered that there is a form of Shiva called Pashupathi, the "lord of the animals".
                Animal sacrifice can be involved in His worship and if I recall, he also had deer characteristics.
              • Re: Shiva

                Wed, April 4, 2007 - 8:37 AM
                >> Britt: I will go so far to say that "The Horned God" of the neo pagan pursuasion is actually probably just Shiva.Not only is the iconography very similiar as well as his involvement with "the Goddess" similiar to the involvement with Devi (not to mention the Neo Pagan Goddess reminds me of Shakta philosophy and especially the triple goddess Tripurasundari).
                Gerald Gardner spent a lot of time in South Asia studying these cultures. I want to say one of his contacts, Dorothy Clutterbuck, was from Bengal, but I probably need to re-read that to make sure. <<

                My own perspective is that there are not different groups of Gods hovering over different part of the earth, so it makes sense to say that Cernnunos is "probably just Shiva". I know that saying things like that sends some people into fits, but the art of "comparative religion" is at least as old as the Greek Historian Herodotus, who very matter of factly identified the Gods of the Egyptians, Persian, Phrygians, etc with those of the Greeks. Plato and Plutarch did exactly the same thing. So at least there is a solid precedent.

                I had never heard that Old Dorothy was from Bengal. THAT sounds interesting!
                • Re: Shiva

                  Wed, April 4, 2007 - 9:16 AM
                  I don't mean it in the sense of saying something like,"Zeus is a father god, JHVH is a father god and therefore equivalent."
                  What I meant is that I have a strong suspicion that Gardner came into contact , someway, with Shiva and Shakti worship, maybe via a Tantric sect.
                  I would think there is a very direct link there instead of just the Greek type correlation that you mentioned.
                  I could be wrong,and I definately do NOT mean to say that Neo Paganism and Hinduism are the same religion, though.I'm not 100 percent sure about this conjecture but I find it very intriguing.
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                    Re: Shiva

                    Wed, April 4, 2007 - 10:17 AM
                    it is very interesting. the old Rudra images from the Indus Valley period depict Him as a horned God, often ithyphallic. reminds me of other divinities... there are also some who believe that Shiva (as opposed or in addition to Pan or Dionysus) was the prototype for the later depiction of Satan (and a symbol of everything wrong with those dirty idolators, right?).
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                    Re: Shiva

                    Wed, April 4, 2007 - 10:26 AM
                    >> Britt: I could be wrong,and I definately do NOT mean to say that Neo Paganism and Hinduism are the same religion, though.I'm not 100 percent sure about this conjecture but I find it very intriguing. <<

                    I think we agree at least 99.9%. I especially agree that there seem to be clearly Hindu influences in Wicca. And while I don't think that Wicca and Hinduism are the same religion - I do think they are broadly the same kind of religion and therefore Wiccans and other modern Pagans can learn a lot from Hinduism.

                    Since this thread started with "how did you come to Shiva", I'll mention that Linda Johnsen, author of "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Hinduism" appears to have "come to" Hinduism by way of western Paganism. Any Pagan who reads her "Complete Idiot's" book can't help but notice her frequent references to pre-Christian religious traditions in the western world. She also has a more recent book "Lost Masters" in which she portrays the great "philosophers" of the classical world as religious/mystical sages very much like Sankaracarya.
                    • Re: Shiva

                      Wed, April 4, 2007 - 11:19 AM
                      Cornel and Saul, maybe we need an entirely new thread to discuss the shiva/western paganism stuff. I think it would be a really good one.
                      • Re: Shiva

                        Wed, April 4, 2007 - 2:23 PM
                        >> Britt: maybe we need an entirely new thread to discuss the shiva/western paganism stuff. <<

                        Sounds dangerous. Like if I mention Alain Danielou will I be met with hoots and catcalls and rotten tomatoes? He wrote a whole book on the connections between Shiva and Dionysos. Although a lot of people think the fit is better between Krsna and Dionysos - but that could a Vaishnava vs. Shaiva thing. Which of course just piles danger on top of danger!!!!

                        Of course the whole Cernunnos connection has to be almost entirely speculative - since our historical knowledge about Cernunnos is almost completely non-existent. There are also obvious (well, I see them, anyway) connections with Hermes, Pan and Eros (who usually travel together anyway).
                        • Re: Shiva

                          Wed, April 4, 2007 - 2:39 PM
                          Nothing like that. I was just afraid I was getting a bit too tangental is all.It veered off of the main subject a bit and I was trying to be cordial to those who wanted to discuss how they found Shiva.
    • Re: Shiva

      Sun, March 4, 2007 - 5:23 PM
      That is the most beautiful thing I've ever heard... your relationship with Shiva is something like I've never heard! I don't think I could ever get that close to him... but oh, I can dream of becoming so intimate with Shiva and knowing him so well... it's been a bumpy path for me, all because of me. But that is truly beautiful.
      • Re: Shiva

        Mon, March 5, 2007 - 5:08 PM
        i have been magnified by the statutes of Shiva since i was 13 and started being interested in World Mythologies. Later on i got totally hooked up on trance music which is so perfectly connected to the Dancing Shiva and all kinds of hindu symbols decorating the partys. Eventually one of my strongest dance trance experiences has been influenced with all those symbols flying in my mind. and later i discovered i found almost zero contradictcions in my mind and Shiva-Consciousness Conceptions. Especially Subramuniyaswami with his Dancing with Siva has underlined my expectations - So perfectly simple describing the Multidimensional Levels of Cosmos.
        this tribe and people are incredible prove of the net of like-minded people
        such a beautiful interconnectedness
        each particle is involved
        thank you
        Shiva Om
  • Re: Shiva

    Mon, April 2, 2007 - 11:40 AM
    When i was 12 I found the "Om namah shivaya" mantra in a Christopher Pike book.
    I was a naive kid and didn't know much about it at all so I just began using it to see what would happen.
    Nothing really happened except for the fact that I had continuous dreams about serpents. Stepping on snakes, running away from snakes, even eating them.
    At the time I didnt know about the linkage between serpents and Shiva, or even who Shiva was..
    But anyway, eventually I got interested in Shaktism and there he was again, since he's usually the god most identified as Devi's consort.
    I'm a bit of an odd duck, most people interested in shiva and devi are also very attracted to Kali and Durga, but for me it's Saraswati and Shiva..
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      Re: Shiva

      Tue, April 3, 2007 - 5:25 AM
      I think I'm the odd duck. I met Lord Ganesh before Shiva. Even if I get into the other Gods, I always pray to Ganesh first. He makes me feel safe.
      • Re: Shiva

        Tue, April 3, 2007 - 11:28 AM
        >>I always pray to Ganesh first.

        well that is certainly appropriate! tradition holds that Ganesa should be propitiated before any endeavor.
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          Re: Shiva

          Tue, April 3, 2007 - 4:58 PM
          I know, which is why I was so happy about it when I first read that.
      • Met Ganesha first

        Thu, April 5, 2007 - 5:26 AM
        Hehe, Parvati, I'm the same! I didn't even know who Shiva was when I met Ganesha... I started to learn more about Shiva, Parvati, Skanda etc. through Ganesh :)


        It was funny... I was afraid of Shiva for a long time. Back when Hinduism had *just* been introduced into my life, I only knew that Shiva was called 'The Destroyer' and his image kind of freaked me out... after seeing him lying underneath such a wild goddess as Kali, I was terrified :P Kali scared me at first, too... but I started to read about Shiva, talk to devotees and friends of mine in India, and my entire naive perception of Shiva and Kali was transformed... the rest is history :)
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          Re: Met Ganesha first

          Thu, April 5, 2007 - 7:32 AM
          Same here! Wow. I was never scared of Shiva though. I was drawn to Shiva after Ganesh, then Krishna, and then Lord Rama, which is the one I focus on right now, other than Ganesh of course. But Kali also. At first her image scared me a bit, but after a while I came to love her. Frightening away evil, garland of heads, sharp weapons to cut through ignorance, what's not to like? :) I've ordered a mala of ox bone shaped into little skulls to use just for Kali mantras.
        • Re: Met Ganesha first

          Thu, April 12, 2007 - 3:47 PM
          I was afraid of Shiva at first. This was in large part due to having been exposed to a very literal Polytheistic philosophy. In part it was this fear that caused a fascination. I was so engrossed in the mystery of Shiva the Destroyer, who being one of the Trimurti couldn't be evil (could he?), that eventually I would pray to Vishnu and Shiva name would come out instead. This bacame so chronic, I surrendered to the influence and broke through my irrational fear and have been a devotee of Shiva ever since. Frankly Shiva vibes with me way more than any other deva. I like Ganesh, Sarasvati, Rama, Surya, but Shiva is God to me. The other devas are god too, but not so imminent.
          • Re: Met Ganesha first

            Fri, April 20, 2007 - 10:44 AM
            >> Roger: I would pray to Vishnu and Shiva name would come out instead. <<

            I apologize if everyone knows this story already - I learned it from reading "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Hinduism", by Linda Johnsen.

            Once upon a time, a great sage attained the ability to travel to Heaven, so he decided to ask Vishnu himself whether He was the Supreme God - or if Shiva was. When the sage found Vishnu He was deeply involved in performing a ritual, so the sage waited until Vishnu was finished. But as soon as Vishnu finished, before the sage could say a word, Vishnu turned to him and apologized for keeping him waiting, "I have just now been praying to the Supreme God Shiva," Vishnu explained. So the sage immediately transported himself to the Himalayas to confirm that Shiva is, in fact, the Supreme God. But Shiva was deep in meditation, so the sage waited. Finally Shiva opened His eyes, but before the sage could say anything Shiva apologized for keeping him waiting, "I have just now been meditating on the lotus feet of the Supreme God Vishnu," Shiva explained.

            I have no idea what the original source of that story is - but I really like it a lot!
  • Re: Shiva

    Tue, April 3, 2007 - 7:08 PM
    *aggressively vies with parvati for the odd duck title :P
    • Re: Shiva

      Tue, April 3, 2007 - 8:11 PM
      there's enough modakas for everyone!
      • Re: Shiva

        Wed, April 4, 2007 - 10:27 AM
        yeah, my moms favorite book is Autobiography of a Yogi, and she taught me "Aum Namah Shivaya" mantra when I was young. We had a traveling Shivite who came to our school, he taught my brother and I some kind of meditation, I guess that was my first Diiksa, what an education, it was kind of a Waldorf influenced alternative school.
  • Re: Shiva

    Thu, April 5, 2007 - 11:56 AM
    "So, how did everyone 'find' Shiva? Or did he find you?"

    I'll take this step further, how did Shiva leave you?

    Why he did that you had to live moment without knowledge?

    Can anyone grasp to that memory and hold on to that
    so it wont happen again?
  • Re: Shiva

    Fri, April 13, 2007 - 4:44 PM
    I am new here and haven't posted before, but this seemed like a good thread to introduce myself on. I've been a little shy because I am not as knowledgeable as everyone else seems to be.

    I think I'd say that Shiva met me half way. I'd been a spiritual seeker for a long time, but I hadn't looked too hard at Hinduism because it seemed so distinctly Indian and I am so distinctly not Indian. I attended a lecture on Goddesses in Hinduism and started looking for more information and then Shiva happened. I don't really quite know how else to describe it. I love Shiva. I never really understood what people of deep faith meant when they said they loved God before. And through Shiva, I found Ganesha as well, but Shiva is God to me. I've been doing a lot of reading and meditating ever since.

    Om Namah Shivaya
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      Re: Shiva

      Fri, April 13, 2007 - 7:51 PM
      Well, I'm not extremely knowledgeable either. Everyone is a learner. Good for you on finding Shiva :)

      Namaste!
      • Re: Shiva

        Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:28 PM
        Shiva (the pure, lively one) dwells within each of us...
        if not we will all be Shava ( dead body )...

        It leads me further to truly feel ...

        Aham Brahmasmi Tattvamasi ( I Am Brahman , That Thou Art )

        May the Lord Bless all...

        Om Namah Shivaya...Shivaya Namaha
        • Re: Shiva

          Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:37 PM
          "Shiva (the pure, lively one) dwells within each of us...
          if not we will all be Shava ( dead body )..."

          Imho, even a Shava is Shiva.

          Shiva = destruction, change, transformation.

          So all our gross forces of mind are under this influence
    • Re: Shiva

      Wed, April 25, 2007 - 7:46 PM
      Sometimes the fact we cannot describe it is better ,at least in my mind. The words that describe I cant remember but the feeling in my heart and the freedom that my soul feels is everlasting.
      Om Namo Shivaya

      New or not we are all part of the ALL
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    Re: Shiva

    Wed, April 25, 2007 - 7:18 PM
    Namaste....Shiva and the other Ascended Masters have always guided me but I was not open to them so they remained in te shadows until I was ready. Once I was open, they all flooded my aura. I see them often on the spirit plane and in this one. Shiva is always after me to think less and meditate more. He and Krishna have this really playful competition when it comes to prasad. They will amuse us with comments like Krishna: "What I'm having is better than what YOU'RE having (said to Shiva)." LOL When Shiva isn't meditating, he's really sweet and even spontaneously playful. He surprised me once when I was hugging him. He just picked me up as he held me around my waist and took off running down the hall to the lift and another dimension. I perceive them all very tall too. Shiva is taller than Krishna and Krishna is about 6 feet tall.

    Shiva was telling me once that he wanted me to meditate daily to find answers rather than think and think and think and not get anywhere but around and around. So..he tells me to sit on the grass and breathe a certain way and "to chant 'Om Namah Shiva' ....oooor 'Hare Krishna' " he lowered his head and his voice when he said "Hare Krishna". Gosh was that funny! :D <A>